Sneak Peek: WSU Master Gardener Advanced Education Conference 2025

In this episode of “The Evergreen Thumb,” Conference Program Lead Jackie Trimble and Conference Director Cathi Lamoreux join host Erin Hoover to give listeners a sneak peek of the upcoming Advanced Education Conference 2025.

The WSU Extension Master Gardener Advanced Education Conference will take place on September 26 and 27, 2025, and will be held virtually so more people can attend. The event will feature a mix of live and prerecorded sessions and will be accessible for five months post-conference. The theme for this year’s conference is “Cultivating Resiliency”.

In addition to details about the conference, keep an ear out for a bonus conversation from our guests about a new demonstration garden that has been approved.

Cathi Lamoreux: Cathi is a retired Speech Language Pathologist, having worked with adults for 30 years. She was an educator with Eldergrow for 4 years after retirement. She has been a WSU Extension Master Gardener since 2008. Cathi is the past president of the Master Gardener Foundation of Spokane County, is the current Vice President of the Master Gardener Foundation of Washington State, and is the 2023 WSU Extension Master Gardener of the Year for the state of Washington. She earned a BA in Child Studies and a Master’s in Speech Language Pathology. She also holds a certificate in Horticultural Therapy.

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Erin Hoover: Welcome to The Evergreen Thumb, your go-to podcast for up-to-date research-based horticulture and environmental stewardship knowledge to help you grow and manage your garden. Produced by Washington State University Extension Master Gardener Volunteers and brought to you by the Master Gardener Foundation of Washington State.

[00:00:16] I’m your host, Erin Hoover, a WSU Extension Master Gardener since 2015 and a certified permaculture designer and modern homesteader.

WSU Master Gardener volunteers are university-trained community educators who have been cultivating plants, people, and communities since 1973. Are you ready to grow? Let’s dig into today’s episode.

 [00:00:44] Welcome to episode 48 of The Evergreen Thumb.

Guest Introductions

My guests today are Jackie Trimble and Cathi Lamoreux. Jackie is the Master Gardener Educational Outreach Program Lead for the 2025 Advanced Education Conference, and Cathi Lamoreux is the director of the 2025 Advanced Education Conference.

If Cathi’s name sounds familiar, it’s because this is her third appearance on the Evergreen Thumb. She was the co-director in 2024, and she was here just recently to talk to us about the Nearby Nature program priority.

[00:01:11] A little bit about Jackie. She’s been gardening her whole life and became a master gardener in 2009. She loves being a master gardener because of the never-ending learning experiences and self-improvement, and she is a master gardener in Snohomish County, where she’s involved in the master gardener training program, the Foundation, Plant Sale, Family Nature Day, and the Educational Outreach Committee.

[00:01:36] She’s worked at the state level writing quizzes and lessons for the new curriculum, which you’ll hear more about in the next episode about our new Green School. Currently, she’s helping lead the program committee for the 2025 Advanced Education Conference.

[00:01:58] Cathi is a retired speech language pathologist, having worked with adults for 30 years. She was an educator with Elder Grove for four years after retirement, and she has been a WSU Extension Master Gardener in Spokane County since 2008. She is the past president of the Master Gardener Foundation of Spokane County and is the current vice president of the Master Gardener Foundation of Washington State.

[00:02:20] She was chosen as a 2023 WSU Extension Master Gardener of the Year for the State of Washington. She earned a BA in Child Studies and a Master’s in Speech Language Pathology and holds a certificate in Horticultural Therapy.

All right, Cathi, Jackie, thanks for joining me today. Welcome to the show.

[00:02:39] So, to start off with, why don’t you each introduce yourselves and share the role that you have in the Advanced Education Conference?

[00:02:47] Jackie Trimble: Okay. I’m Jackie Trimble. I’m a retired teacher, uh, retired in about 2008, and I’ve been a master gardener since 2009. I am the lead for master gardener basic training in Snohomish County and co-lead for our Family Day Plant Sale and our Foundation Board.

[00:03:03] And I happen to be the, uh, Advanced Education Program lead.

Cathi?

[00:03:08] Cathi Lamoreux: And I am Cathi Lamoreux, and I have been a master gardener in Spokane County since 2008. I retired as a speech language pathologist in 2016, so you know, you can be a master gardener and still work full-time. I’m living proof. Um, I’ve worked on the conference since 2022, and I’m the current lead for AEC 2025.

What is The Advanced Education Conference?

[00:03:34] Erin Hoover: Can you tell us a little bit more about what the Advanced Education Conference is?

Cathi Lamoreux: Sure.

[00:03:42] The WSU Extension Master Gardner Advanced Education Conference is a mouthful, but that is its official title. It’s held every year at the end of September. It was held virtually last year, and it will be virtual again this year.

[00:03:59] And last year we had a record turnout, and we’re looking forward to having a large number of master gardeners and public attend again this year.

So invite your friends, invite your family. They don’t have to live in Washington. That’s the nice thing about virtual. Get everybody to come. We will be providing a combination of some live sessions and some prerecorded sessions, but rest assured, the live sessions will all be recorded when they’re presented, so you can watch all the sessions.

[00:04:33] That’s one of the advantages of a virtual conference. This year, we are making the recordings available for five months, so they will be available till the end of February. So, an excellent opportunity to get all your educational hours in the winter when you can’t get out in the garden.

[00:04:55] Erin Hoover: So, what’s the theme of this year’s conference?

[00:04:56] Cathi Lamoreux: The theme is called Cultivating Resiliency. We chose it because climate change makes each year a little bit more challenging, and how we meet that challenge is how well we cope with it. We’re not sort of focusing on the challenges as much as we’re focusing on the solutions.

How Cultivating Resiliency Connects to The Master Gardener Program Priorities

[00:05:22] Erin Hoover: So how does the theme connect with the WSU Extension Master Gardens Program priorities?

[00:05:28] Jackie Trimble: Well, no matter where you live in Washington, uh, it’s an ever-changing climate, as we all know, and it does affect us, and we need to be more focused on sustainable gardening practices. And those nine priorities do just that. They’ve given us that focus, and we’ve found speakers to address one or more of the priorities in their sessions.

How to Attend the Conference

[00:05:50] Erin Hoover: Where and when will the AEC be held this year?

[00:05:52] Cathi Lamoreux: There isn’t really a where. Except there’s something new that Jackie’s gonna talk about.

There is a new portion of the conference that is where, but it’ll be held the last weekend in September. That’s the 26^th and 27^th this year.

[00:06:11] And as I said before, everything’s recorded. So if you’re busy that weekend, you can still register because you can watch everything for the next five months.

New Conference Features to Look Out For

[00:06:19] Erin Hoover: So are there any new features or changes to the format compared to previous years?

[00:06:26] Jackie Trimble: Yes, there are.

[00:06:26] Cathi Lamoreux: Thanks for asking.

[00:06:26] Jackie Trimble: It has some virtual aspects of this as well as in-person aspects, and we’re really about some of the in-person deals that we have.

[00:06:38] Going back to the virtual, that’s always the most cost-effective for us, our speakers, or putting on the conference for the people coming to the conference. Uh, so we wanted to try to alleviate that a little bit. And, um, hotel stays, there’s a huge cost there for everybody, food expenses. So what we are trying to, uh, do is take good parts of both worlds.

[00:07:04] So we will have S-L-Es. These are shared learning experiences. So if I keep saying SLEs, that’s what that is. Shared. Learning. Experiences. And what that basically is, is we have 6 sites around our state.

[00:07:22] Clark County, Kittitas, Snohomish, Spokane, Whitman, and Yakima, and we are going to have rooms for master gardeners from around that area to come and sit in on and watch the Friday happenings that I’ll talk about a little bit more later. So they’ll sit there, and there’ll be people who can still be at home watching this, but others will be in seats with their fellow master gardeners, which is something we miss when we have a virtual-only conference.

[00:07:51] So this is the best of both worlds. So, you have people sitting in rooms listening to speakers. We will have breakout sessions on Friday with a speaker who’ll talk about a topic, and then we break out and we talk amongst ourselves and come back and share with the whole group. So, we’re still going to get that community-building experience that we’ve had in the past.

[00:08:13] Um, there’ll also be a lot of recordings that’ll be going on, so if you cannot make one of those SLE sec, uh, sessions, you can also watch these later on a recording. Anything else to add? Cathi?

[00:08:26] Cathi Lamoreux: I think you covered it. The one thing we haven’t talked about is that there will be, on Friday morning, the annual meeting for the state foundation and elections, and I think Jackie’s going to talk about the keynote speaker.

So. That happens for everybody, no matter where you are.

[00:08:46] Jackie Trimble: Yes. Friday morning, uh, starts out with the award ceremonies and, uh, just kind of the opening business of the foundation. And then we’ll have our keynote speaker, Larry Weaner. The title of his talk is Living the Liberated Landscape. Uh, Larry is this nationally recognized expert in horticulture, landscape design, and ecological restoration.

[00:09:09] His work spans more than 20 U.S. states and the U.K. But he’s been in, um, many publications such as The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Landscape Architecture, Garden Design, you know, several of the other magazines as well. So really excited about having him.

[00:09:27] Cathi Lamoreux: I think the other nice thing about him is that when I spoke with him, when we invited him, I asked him if he was familiar with the state of Washington, being an east coaster, and he has actually done jobs on both sides of the state.

[00:09:41] So he is very aware of the differences between the east side and the west side of the Cascades, which is very helpful, and he will be able to reference that knowledge when he speaks.

A Preview of Conference Speakers and Topics

[00:09:54] Erin Hoover: So, what are some of the other exciting topics or speakers that are planned for this year’s conference?

[00:10:00] Jackie Trimble: Well, we have something from all different, uh, aspects and all different places.

[00:10:04] Uh, we have Laurel Moulton talking about IPM in the veggie garden. So growing, you know, great vegetables with environmental protection. Uh, we have Lisa Taylor conserving water with contours, native plants, and cisterns. Tim Kohlhauff is gonna talk about tree canopy cover as a way to mitigate climate change. Uh, we have a Dave Hunter talk, that’s titled What if We Thought Like a Bee? A New Perspective on Pollinator Survival.

[00:10:25] I’m really intrigued by that one. And then we also have Erica Wharton and Allison O’Connor, um, talking about engaging older adults with therapeutic horticulture. So we’re gonna kind of cover a lot of different topics that I think everyone’s gonna find something of interest.

How the Advanced Educational Conference Supports Continuing Education

[00:10:47] Erin Hoover: So, how does the AEC, kind of changing gears here a little bit, how does the AEC support continuing education goals for the Master Gardener program?

[00:10:57] Cathi Lamoreux: We have options. We all have options, uh, for getting our continuing education, and especially now that the world has converted to a virtual world, we can reach out to almost any place we want and listen to somebody talk.

[00:11:13] Uh, so AEC is just now one of those, one of those options, but some of the larger counties, uh, do hold their own educational events for their master gardeners and for the public. But a lot of the smaller counties just don’t have the resources or the number of people needed to, uh, plan something and pull it off and actually attend.

[00:11:39] And so the AEC fills that gap for, uh, for everybody, but especially for those counties that rely on the AEC to provide some educational offerings.

[00:12:00] For most county criteria, if you watch every or most of the AEC presentations, you will get all your hours, and you don’t have to worry about it for the rest of the year.

[00:12:08] And especially now that we’re giving you five months to do so, um, there’s not gonna be too many excuses not to get the hours.

The other thing that’s really nice is that we use the program priorities as our guide for scheduling presentations, and we make sure that we have at least one presentation in every priority.

[00:12:32] So no matter where your area of interest or your area of where you want to acquire more information exists, there will be a presentation for you. And one of the things I thought of when Jackie was talking is that we actually have two Firewise presentations uh, this year. And we have one that’s focused on the west side and one that’s focused on the east side.

[00:12:59] So you can get pertinent information depending on, uh, which side of the mountains you live on.

[00:13:06] Erin Hoover: That just occurred to me, too, that and now that the recordings are available all the way through February, you could potentially get next year’s CE done.

[00:13:12] Cathi Lamoreux: You could, you could. January and February. What else are you gonna do?

[00:13:17] Maybe for some of the people who live on the west side, you know, there are days in those months when you can get out in your garden. But believe me, for the, those of us on the east side, we are, you know, locked into frozen ground and perhaps snow on the ground, uh, those months. We’re not, we’re not gardening, right?

[00:13:39] Jackie Trimble: Yeah, no, but every master gardener I know just loves to learn more. They’re always buying new garden books. They’re always wanting to listen in on different talks, so they’re always learning.

[00:13:51] Erin Hoover: Well, that’s a continuing theme I keep saying, is master gardeners are lifelong learners.

Jackie Trimble: Yes, definitely.

Education Beyond the Master Gardener Community

[00:14:00] Erin Hoover: And so the conference really draws that, you know, from master gardeners, right, but also from the public.

[00:14:03] There are a lot more people, it seems right now, who really wanna learn more about gardening and in Washington. And so this really helps to provide another avenue for the public to get that gardening knowledge as well.

[00:14:16] Cathi Lamoreux: And even if it has the name “Master Gardener” in it, you do not have to be a master gardener to attend.

[00:14:25] Uh, and that’s sometimes really hard to get that word out.

You know, we advertise as, as best we can and we, and we do some non-master gardener publication advertising, but for the most part, we’re really relying on the master gardeners themselves to you know, tell people who come to their plant clinics or come to their, their other classes or their plant sales or their county fairs or whatever it is to share that we’re willing to share what we’re learning and what we know with anybody and everybody and, and it’s important that people get that information.

[00:14:51] The more educated people are about best practices, the better off our environment is going to be.

Erin Hoover: Definitely. Jackie, did you have something to add too?

[00:15:11] Jackie Trimble: I was just gonna say though, that, um, the shared learning experiences, I think, are really going to boost that learning bubble that we usually have. The ones that are able to attend that or choose to attend those because it’s more, it’s a lot more fun to learn with others.

[00:15:28] And those days will be, um, a, a fun day, I’m pretty sure.

[00:15:31] Erin Hoover: Well, and to have conversations about what they’ve learned and yes, everybody pulls away different things from the same presentation.

Jackie Trimble: Exactly.

Registration Details

Erin Hoover: So, uh, when does registration open? What are the details?

[00:15:45] Cathi Lamoreux: Uh, early registration opens on June 1st.

[00:15:49] We’ve kept the registration fee at the same level as last year, so we did not raise the registration fee. So, early registration for master gardeners is $109, which lasts for a month.

And so starting on July 1st, it becomes regular or general registration, and so the fee goes up to $129. So you wanna, you wanna get in there and get registered in June and save yourself $20.

[00:16:17] The state foundation website is going to be the place where most of the information that you’re going to need is available. So I’m sure Erin will put up a link to that.

There will also be posts on social media, and all the counties will be, uh, we will share information about the conference and how to register.

[00:16:43] So they should be seeing all of that information come out in however their county communicates with them.

And I guess just a heads up that if by the beginning of June you haven’t seen anything sent out to you, uh, from your county, you might wanna send an email or talk to the person in charge and and tweak them to make sure that everybody knows about the conference.

What Our Guests are Looking Forward to The Most About AEC 2025

[00:17:12] Erin Hoover: Cathi, what do you personally look forward to the most about AEC ‘25?

[00:17:17] Cathi Lamoreux: I personally look forward to someone talking about a topic that I hadn’t seriously considered or hadn’t even heard of.

Sometimes those are the ones that I go to first, and sometimes I listen to those twice, and I like, there’s always someone talking about how to do something differently from how I do it, and that to me makes it exciting.

I like that.

[00:17:50] Erin Hoover: Jackie, how about you?

[00:17:51] Jackie Trimble: Well, other than it being a successful event that’s completed, I’m looking to the speaker, uh, lineup. Uh, some of these folks I haven’t heard before.

Uh, I’m intrigued by a lot of the topics, uh, but I’m also really uh, curious and excited to see how these new shared learning experiences work for our master gardener community.

[00:18:15] I think it’s going to be, um, really an exciting prospect to, to look at and to see how it, how successful it becomes, um, maybe for future, uh, events too that we can do.

[00:18:26] Cathi Lamoreux: Yeah, I think, I think that’s a really good point. And that, uh, we will be asking, uh, people who participate in the shared learning experiences to give us some feedback, and we’d really, really like you to take us up on our offer, on our request, and tell us what you think exactly.

[00:18:44] Tell us whether it worked, whether it didn’t work.

Jackie Trimble: Mm-hmm.

Cathi Lamoreux: Um, what you liked about it. We’ll be asking all those questions post the conference, and the more feedback we get, the better fine tuning we can do on the next conference.

[00:19:01] Erin Hoover: Well, and I’ve seen that there are a couple of speakers this year who have been guests on the podcast before.

[00:19:07] So I will include links to those episodes so people can get a kind of a preview of those speakers. Um, I know a couple of the ones that Jackie mentioned, um, Lisa Taylor, Tim Kohlhauff, and uh, Laurel Moulton have all been on before. And then I’ll have to look at the full speaker lineup to see who else has, has been on the show.

[00:19:26] Cathi Lamoreux: Me,

[00:19:28] Jackie Trimble: Well, you, yes, of course. Cathi. Yes.

Erin Hoover: Cathi is there, too. I should have mentioned hers.

Cathi Lamoreux: Shoulda gotten some brownie points.

[00:19:33] Erin Hoover: This is actually Cathi’s third time on the podcast, so she has been on more times than anybody else. So she’s a pro at this now. So.

What Jackie and Cathi Love Most About Being Master Gardeners

So Jackie, what do you love most about being a master gardener?

[00:19:49] Jackie Trimble: Ah, I wanted to take the classes long before I retired, but being a seventh-grade teacher, it was hard to take those classes. Um, so the community of learners that I have joined, um and the community of growers, their enthusiasm as volunteers, uh, their willingness to share their knowledge with myself, with other neighbors, with other people, just, um, uh, it just is always, it fills me up with such joy to be around them.

[00:20:21] Um, a good one last year. Um. At our potting party, we have potting parties for our plant sale. And my husband’s always saying, “Why would you call it a party?” And I said, “You have not been there because we’re laughing. We’re dividing plants, we’re standing on our feet for hours, we’re getting dirt every which way you know, to Sunday”.

[00:20:42] But we’re laughing, we’re joking. We’re talking about this plant, that plant. What’s the growth habit of this? I mean, we learn so much as we’re doing this, and one of our new trainees, um, in the midst of all this, shouted out, “I have found my people.”, And, um, that one just has stuck with me because it really says the same.

[00:21:07] It’s just exactly how I feel. Um, I couldn’t have found a better group of people to share my passion with. Yeah. So that’s, that’s kind of why I like being a master gardener.

Erin Hoover: What about you, Cathi?

[00:21:18] Cathi Lamoreux: Uh, what Jackie said.

[00:21:19] Jackie Trimble: I’m glad I went first.

[00:21:22] Cathi Lamoreux: And you know the friendships.

You know, I have a circle of friends outside of master gardeners, and then I have this circle of friends inside master gardeners, and sometimes they overlap a little bit, but, uh, I can’t talk gardening and I can’t talk plants and climate and environment and, and soil, you know, with people in my non master gardener group, very often. There are very few people who would call themselves a gardener.

[00:21:54] Uh, so I am, I’m just thrilled to, because you could be sitting in that group of people all day and talk about what you really, really enjoy doing. And I think the other thing is that I find master gardeners so generous with their time. They’re so willing to step in and help people. And just the fact that we’re, that we are a group of volunteers means that we’re all giving of, of ourselves.

[00:22:25] And you rarely run into anybody that’s like, you know, I’ve already done my, my minimum hours. Yeah. So I’m not gonna do it anymore. I mean, that just doesn’t happen. And, and I think that’s my, that’s my favorite, favorite part about it.

Bonus Info—New Prairie Demonstration Garden Coming Soon

I have to share that we have, for the last year, we have been working on a plan for a new demonstration garden, and we have settled on a Spokane Prairie project and doing a prairie like this part of the world used to look like before the settlers, and it’s been a really big project of the biggest piece of land around our extension building, which is where we do our demonstration gardens being converted from solid lawn.

[00:23:10] There’s nothing there except lawn. And we have jumped through hoops after hoop, after hoop, after hoop. And yesterday I met with the county facilities director, and he’s like. “Go for it”.

[00:23:37] And I’m gonna say yes right now because I know Master Gardeners need to get on it and get your job done. And I have three requests, and he asked them, and I said, we can meet all of those. And he’s like, you’re on. And I got to go to my meeting with my team this morning, who’s planning that and tell them that message.

[00:24:00] And they were just like super, super chuffed about being able to, uh, establish a prairie in part of our building.

[00:24:11] Erin Hoover: Yeah. Well, a native prairie is one of the most threatened ecosystems in Washington, too.

[00:24:16] Cathi Lamoreux: Absolutely. Mm-hmm. And I have learned in getting ready for this, that there’s like three ecosystems in the Palouse Prairie.

[00:24:25] Uh, there’s a southern one, a central one, and a northern one, and they all have different plants and different scab lands. Different Soil formation and where you get your seeds from makes a difference. Like we need seeds that have been harvested and grown in our northern section, not our southern section, because the plants aren’t acclimated to us.

[00:24:55] So it’s been a learning process. It’s kind of interesting. But yeah, I’m super excited.

Final Thoughts

[00:25:01] Erin Hoover: Well, to wrap things up, is there any final thoughts about AEC or anything else that we wanna share that we didn’t cover?

[00:25:08] Jackie Trimble: No, but I think people should, uh, look forward toward our new Green School that we’re going to be starting this fall.

[00:25:16] That should be a, a unique experience. But, uh, I’m really getting excited about how that’s gonna work.

[00:25:19] Erin Hoover: And actually, the next episode is an interview with Jennifer Marquis all about Green School. So that’s a great lead-in.

Jackie Trimble: Alright, nice segue.

Erin Hoover: Cathi, any final thoughts you have about AEC?

[00:25:36] Cathi Lamoreux: No. We, we work really, really hard to put on the best program we can possibly put on, and we have a great committee of really dedicated master gardeners from all over the state, and there isn’t any reason that anybody shouldn’t attend.

[00:25:54] It’s, it’s easy, it’s not very expensive, and it’s fascinating.

[00:26:02] Erin Hoover: One final thought I had, are you still looking for a master gardener to help take on the AEC 2026?

[00:26:11] Cathi Lamoreux: Now that you mention that, yes, we are. Uh, Jackie and I have other responsibilities, and it would be super helpful, uh, if somebody wants to join the 2025 team right now, even at this stage, you’ll still see sort of how the conference is coming together and see whether that’s a good fit.

[00:26:33] We would be glad to have you. They just need to get in touch with me.

[00:26:37] Jackie Trimble: And there’s plenty of us to help. If you want to take it on next year and you just go, “I’m not sure I can do this”, we’ll be glad to help you. We’re your cheering squad from behind. We’ll be there for you.

[00:26:49] Erin Hoover: Well, thank you both for joining me today.

[00:26:51] Cathi Lamoreux: You’re welcome.

Jackie Trimble: Thank you.

Cathi Lamoreux: Thanks for having us.

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